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<\/a>Allan Savory\u2014Zimbabwean ecologist, farmer, soldier, exile, environmentalist, international consultant, and president and co-founder of the Savory Institute<\/a>\u2014has a message on how to save the world: the answer is in the soil. In the 1960s, Savory originated the concept of Holistic Management, which has been popularized by several articles and a TED Talk<\/a> that has been viewed nearly 4 million times.<\/p>\nHolistic Management<\/a> is a framework, most commonly applied to grassland management, that when properly practiced has the potential to regenerate damaged land. It focuses on mimicking the evolutionary grazing patterns of cattle to regenerate soils and restore grasslands. This technique has proven effective in hundreds of areas across the globe, one of the most popular being via Operation HOPE<\/a>, winner of the 2010 Buckminster Fuller Challenge<\/a>.<\/p>\n In December, Bard MBA student Alexander Lykins sat down with Savory to discuss holistic management, how it can be applied to business, and how young entrepreneurs can become involved.<\/p>\n The following Q&A is an edited excerpt from the Bard MBA\u2019s February 17th Sustainable Business Fridays<\/a> podcast. Sustainable Business Fridays brings together students in Bard\u2019s MBA in Sustainability<\/a> program with leaders in business, sustainability and social entrepreneurship.<\/p>\n Listen to this interview and others on the <\/em>Bard MBA Sustainable Business Fridays<\/em><\/a> podcast on an <\/em>Apple<\/em><\/a> or <\/em>Android<\/em><\/a> device. <\/em><\/p>\n <\/p>\n BARD MBA: FOR SOME OF OUR LISTENERS, HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT MAY BE A NEW CONCEPT\u2014COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF IT?<\/p>\n It\u2019s an easy way, really, for anyone to manage their business or any management situation more successfully. Management, in any situation, always involves a web of social, environmental, and economic complexity. Even managing feeding your family or living in a city involves complexity.<\/p>\n All management actions also need a reason and a context. If you think about that, you\u2019ll realize that the reason is that you want to meet a need or a desire. In the case of policies, the context always has to do with the problem. There\u2019s no other reason why governments develop a policy\u2014it doesn\u2019t matter if the policy is on drugs, terrorism, or anything else. Whatever it is, the context is the problem.<\/p>\n When we do that, we take this great web of complexity that we cannot avoid and reduce it to a simple context for our actions. That\u2019s reductionist management. All of us do it\u2014we always have, in all cultures. Unfortunately, reductionist management commonly leads to achieving our actions but also later experiencing unintended consequences. And that\u2019s where we are today.<\/p>\n Now, we had to develop something else. Holistic management is a framework. It works by first determining what the situation is\u2014with managing a household, or a farm, a national park, a government\u2014and then getting the people who make the management decisions together. They develop one overarching, holistic context that guides all management actions from then on.<\/p>\n The holistic framework guides our management actions as we go about meeting our needs and desires, or dealing with problems. The really new idea in this is this holistic context. It expresses how we want our lives to be, based on what we value most in life. Then we tie that to the behavior that is central to live that life, and we tie it to our life-supporting environment. When we use this framework, it works amazingly well, and it avoids experiencing unintended consequences to our actions.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n BARD MBA: IS THERE A BUSINESS CASE FOR HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT? HOW CAN THE NEXT GENERATION OF YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS APPLY THE HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK TO BUSINESS AND CONTRIBUTE TO A CLOSED LOOP AND REGENERATIVE SOCIETY?<\/p>\n Yes, there is a case for it in business, because business is management, isn\u2019t it? Ultimately, the only wealth that can sustain any community or nation is actually derived from green-growing plants on regenerating soil. You can\u2019t have a choir, you can\u2019t have a church, you can\u2019t have an army, you can\u2019t have a political party, you can\u2019t have any business without agriculture. Tragically, American business is not grasping or recognizing that fundamental scientific truth. It does begin to come out, though, the moment a business begins to manage holistically, because you have to have that holistic context tying your actions to your life-supporting environment.<\/p>\n As a consequence of today\u2019s mainstream business, agriculture is the most extractive and destructive industry in the history of mankind. That\u2019s really not going to change until the public is better informed and begins to insist that management be holistic and no longer reductionist. So, the next generation of young entrepreneurs can use the holistic framework in business by becoming involved. If they remain passive or apathetic, then really, that amounts to taking sides and not being neutral. If you\u2019re passive or apathetic, you are automatically supporting current reductionist policy and mainstream corporate agriculture.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n BARD MBA: ONE OF THE MOST AT RISK LOCATIONS FOR DESERTIFICATION IS THE SAHEL REGION THAT RUNS THROUGH NORTH AFRICA. MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN CATTLE IN THE REGION ARE NOMADIC PASTORALISTS. CAN HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT BE TAUGHT IN A CULTURALLY RELEVANT WAY TO BRING NOMADIC PASTORALISTS ON AS STAKEHOLDERS?<\/p>\n Yes, it\u2019s entirely teachable, and this is already being done. In particular, the Africa Center for Holistic Management, one of our first hubs, has spent years developing simple training materials. They\u2019re so simplified that it could be taught with pictures entirely, for illiterate people. We just train a few of them to do it and teach the others. It can also be translated into any language very quickly.<\/p>\n Already, there are pastoralists from that troubled Horn of Africa region you mention who state openly that nothing but holistic management can save their cultures. They realize that it\u2019s all about saving their culture, not just the land or their livestock. So the problem doesn\u2019t actually lie with the pastoralists, they\u2019re ready to go.<\/p>\n The problem lies with governments, major environmental organizations and international agencies. All of these are forcing reductionist policies on people, policies that are not even based on good science or understanding of desertification. Some of this I made clear in my TedTalk on desertification, where I said we once thought the world was flat\u2014we were wrong then, and we\u2019re wrong again. I point out how all this blaming of livestock\u2014they\u2019re just a resource, and no resource can cause you problems\u2014we had the bull by the udder, frankly. Only livestock, not any technology imaginable, can reverse manmade desertification. So we need to get that into our institutions because they\u2019re blocking the way.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n BARD MBA: DESPITE MANY SUCCESSES AT SHOWING THE EFFICACY OF HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT, SUCH AS OPERATION HOPE IN ZIMBABWE, THERE ARE STILL SOME WHO REMAIN UNCONVINCED. WHAT IS ONE THING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THOSE WHO ARE STILL UNCONVINCED?<\/p>\n To understand what\u2019s going on, I had to study system science: how all organizations or institutions are complex soft systems and have what are called wicked problems. Our organizations always reflect the public opinion of the societies they\u2019ve formed in. They\u2019re very efficient at doing what they\u2019re formed to do, but one of their wicked problems is that they are incapable, even if they wanted to change, of accepting new scientific insights such as we\u2019re talking about ahead of the public. So public opinion has to change first.<\/p>\n It doesn\u2019t matter how much data, facts, figures, evidence there is, how many people are dying\u2014nothing matters. Institutions do not change until public opinion begins to shift. So that\u2019s been a big part of the problem, the last fifty years\u2014one that I, and many others, didn\u2019t understand.<\/p>\n What we need to do is just follow the science. Now, skepticism is healthy. I couldn\u2019t have developed holistic management without a heavy dose of skepticism myself. But most of the now fifty years of delay in public and institutional acceptance has been caused by influential academics who state firmly that holistic management is not scientific. Holistic management is 100% based on good, sound, long-established scientific principles that no scientist has ever disputed. 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